An L1 English child will have acquired all of these meanings by the age of 5, will be able to comprehend and produce them without thinking about it, whereas an English L2 learner will have problems, even after 5 or 10 years of learning the language. I go out of my way to make at least 200 mistakes a day! Adults have the cognitive strategies to start a language journey for which children do not need any strategy at all. Based on those and the context, I can often guess at what's being said/asked, but I still have the conversational ability of a toddler. For each And a separate issue lets say you become super-native-fluent in 25 languageshow are you going to find the time to use them all, other than to boast about it on a blog? I love everything in it but was more than pleased to get the Chineasy book because I was so tempted back when I saw it on kick starter and bummed that I didnt. Ill be back in Berlin in June. I am one of those people who struggle with language, and just assume I suck at it, but I love this article because it has so many ways to learn and is a total confidence booster. Comment Rules: Remember what Fonzie was like? Loved this post and will certainly come back to it several times. Han ger det till John. Finding out the most commonly used words and nailing those puts you way ahead of the game. To start developing your SMART goal in a language, I highly recommend you become somewhat familiar with the European Common Framework that defines language levels. I have an apple. Is this conversational fluency at a B1 or B2 level? He showed me an example when I interviewed him about how he learns languages in the below video. I studied Chinese for a year at university, and they discouraged us from using the term Mandarin at all. For example, Ive found that the fluency (B2) level can be achieved in a matter of months, as long as you are focused on the spoken aspect. And what do words like fluency and mastery mean on a practical level? When he had to do with two or 3, he was sexually abused by a 12 year old child of his sitter. In those first few hours, Id recommend learning some pleasantries such as Hello, Thank you, Could you repeat that? or I dont understand, many of which you will find listed out here for most languages. Tim Ferriss has a list of I think nine or 12 sentences that he uses in order to deconstruct a language. I have an apple. I give you an apple. The problem is that you cant ever truly learn a language, you get used to it. Then I will share something that is on my mind lately and attempt to express my opinion on it, or allow the native speaker to introduce a new topic. Matt will help you out a lot. The Tim Ferriss Show is one of the most popular podcasts in the world with more than 900 million downloads. However that I have to add that rules 2 and 5 dont work with Finnish, the language Im currently learning. A bunch of us came together in this remix, Skype me Maybe.. This way I know I am truly using and practicing the language. This transformation allowed me to walk from the Nile to the Pyramids without any hassle from touts and make the experience all about the fascinating people I met. Huge tip You will be forgiven for this directness, because its always obvious that you are a learner. ), and in Mandarin with my friend Yangyang about how she got into working as a TV show host: At this level, I still make plenty of mistakes of course, but they dont hinder communication too much. [TIM: I actually view part of my role as that of comedian or court jesterto make native speakers chuckle at my Tarzan speak. Bennythanks for this comprehensive post, Ive passed it around to several friends! Webnews. Biological Foundations of Language , New York: Wiley and Sons. Thank you for all of this information and the links. I recently discovered Duolingo and love it. Where I fail is execution. I am rather shocked you would publish anything from him. I did look at fluent in 3 months again today. I had many more hours than that before I got a tutor and I spent 30 minutes not understanding her, even when she repeated my own sentences back to me (with the grammar corrected). Definitely agree there! Ever since he was little, he had a keen interest in gadgets and technical innovations. Thats how were gonna In any decent beginner course, the gramatical concepts of those 12 sentences are introduced fairly early on in with better context and with better deconstruction for better retention. Just put in the facts and keep the encouragement bit . It is an interesting post with really good advice, but I disagree with #6. Although you make a good point that you can use this in a separate watching session to help you understand better. Hey guys, I put together a resource for deconstructing foreign language grammar using Tim Ferriss golden sentences method, that some of you might be familiar with. and make sure the conversation is constantly progressing. Therell be free updates for life online. Action, nation, precipitation, solution, frustration, tradition, communication, extinction, and thousands of other-tion words are spelled exactly the same in French, and you can quickly get used to the different pronunciation. Really appreciated . In other words, they learn the language through perceptual channels that become integrated with the limbic system. OP has a valid point. Ill have to try this to learn Spanish fluently. Even after this period, they couldnt properly mimic the calls of their parents and siblings), You should also look at research done with feral and abused children who were kept in confinement. But, I disagree that you need human-level intelligence for translating. We produce huge (A0) wallcharts with the 1500 most commonly used Chinese characters. Tools of Titans is a short-form podcast series from Tim Ferriss, one of Fast Companys Most Innovative Business People and an early-stage investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. Something my friend Khatzumoto (alljapaneseallthetime.com) once said that I liked was, Babies arent better language learners than you; they just have no escape routes.. there again, given my usual experience of POV graphics, I kept wanting to click on things to blow them up. Three months has worked great for me, but 6 weeks or 4 months could be your ideal point. Im a very experienced language learner, and I think I wouldnt be able to learn two NEW languages at once. WebAfter completed a sentence, it is read out loud by a native speaker of your target language (some sentences will allow you to hear it spoken by multiple speakers). Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. Had a quick look through, but it definitely warrants a careful second read. But theres no point telling people things that arent true and encouraging wishful thinking and unrealistic expectations for the sake of making them feel good or to help him sell his books. I want to learn Italian for a trip to Italy in 2015. Tip #2: As my father used to say, use it or lose it. They took one look at me, saw how foreign I obviously was, and this overshadowed what language I was actually speaking to them. We learnt using textbooks written during the Cultural Revolution, with the result that the only sentences that stuck in my head were things like We all do physical training very early, We all study Mao Zedong thought, and We all work hard and love the commune. Pretty much every sentence started Women duo . Thanks for post this, Tim. OK, the article that Benny referenced uses an experiment with children older than 8! This is one of the best posts on this blog yet! I too like to first learn the flow of the language before learning any grammatical rules. Well, it turns out that even languages as different as Japanese can have heaps of very familiar vocabulary. You only have to learn a little for your first conversation, but if you use it immediately, youll see whats missing and can add on from there. Of course. Lets seeFrench, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, I wonder whats missing. They dont require correction or any instruction. available to get a feel for the basic variations of (morpho)syntactic patterns of an L2. Cant believe my eyes. Empathizing with Gulnara .. I really like your approach of speaking from day 1. It is the best app that you could possibly have on your phone. Glad to see your story has a happy ending! So to make my life easy when I start learning a language, one of the first word lists I try to consume is a list of cognates, or English loan words, which can be found quickly for pretty much any language. But increase the number of hours of exposure up to an immersion setting, and its not even a contest. I loved finding out during our Skype call how much we share in common in language learning philosophies. Good flashcard methods implement a spaced repetition system (SRS), which Anki automates. Ive always done better typing than speaking, even in my native language, can I go on Skype, Interpals, and other places, while still studying and type more than speak and still be successful? To be fair, Tims original sentences were The apple is red (La pomme est rouge) and It is Johns apple (Cest la pomme de Jean), but if youre a teacher receiving Please share in the comments! So true, Id love to see a fresh video with both of you! If adults were better language learners than children there would be many more polyglots around and less people pondering on the subject. This is a little off-topic but the email notices I get when theres a new post from you always have WordPress.com as the sender name. So Ive afraid youre quite wrong. This made my sentences sound incomplete, and when my teacher trained me to stop doing this, I was told that I sounded way more French. Dont worry about upsetting native speakers for being so bold as to speak to them in their own language. Go to that countrys equivalent URL for Amazon or Ebay (amazon.es, amazon.fr, amazon.co.jp, etc.) Maybe that might be appropriate Mr. Lewis? This framework provides you with a way of setting specific language goals and measuring your own progress. Anyway, if you want to check it out (as a muse or for the learning Chinese characters) Ive got a website up at http://www.hanziwallchart.com. Sure, you could wait until you are ready to say Excuse me kind sir, could you direct me to the nearest bathroom? but Bathroom where? actually conveys the same essential information, only removing superfluous pleasantries. When I was writing my book, I interviewed fellow polyglot Luca who is very effective in adapting a convincing accent in his target languages. I tried to unsubscribe but was unsuccessful. An upgrade (with more features) is available for 9 USD / month. Slang has also been inspired by English, and new words have come into the language: televisio (telkkari), media, radio, turbulenssi, banaani, tomaatti, etc. I agree that a smartphone app will have a very very hard time replacing the human connection, if you cant hear someones tone of voice and only hear a computer synthesized voice it will be hard to make an emotional connection. Remember that not so long ago the consensus among linguists was that we were hard-wired with a complex set of rules known as transformational grammar; now nobody believes there is such a thing (not even Chomsky). I saw that Uber recently launched in Panama City and Im an ideal fit for the community manager role. He'd been two years old. If you do decide to check out the site, I would really appreciate some feedback and suggestions.  If you are living in a country where bargaining is the norm, the ability to haggle proficiently and not be taken advantage of, is a powerful incentive to become fluent. Benny and Tim! Thank you for the great guest post Benny! Been learning Spanish on Duolingo for a few months now and it feels so good to be making progress with it. More flash cards, more drills, more practice. Another reason (or excuse, depending on how you look at it) people cite for not learning languages is that they cant visit a country where its a native language. I learned what I know almost 100 percent from listening to others and asking questions. Thanks so much for buying my book! You can take it offline and see about language related meet-ups in your city through The Polyglot Club, or the meet-ups pages on Couchsurfing, meetup.com, and Internations. Tahta, S., Wood, M. & Loewnthal, K. (1981b). Yes, in this case then older children will learn faster than young children and adults will learn faster than both. Adults need to be more pro-active, but can process things like grammar rules way better, and kids can absorb naturally quicker, since they dont have any other language to fall back on. If your ultimate goal is to speak multiple languages, you can repeat this process over multiple times, but I highly recommend you focus on one language at a time until you reach at least the intermediate level. Oh, yeah, Romanian. They reblogged it on their teacher resources page! Thank you for speaking up about this. I'm going to know tomorrow. I am interested in getting a Masters in linguistics myself, Im about to graduate with a bachelors in Asian studies. I think you can stack the deck in your favor. Hey I am also learning Finnish and I have to disagree. Oh and great to know that Arabic and Thai scripts are fairly easy. Both languages I want to learn too. For each language I would really like to have a sentence demonstrating each case with each gender, plus its plurals. . I always carry a pair I had made to my ears years back but extras are always good to have and the carry case is cool. And also, it was a low exposure environment and all they had to do was learn one new grammar rule. Most I think are in Chinese, as Taiwan is such a great country to live in. And saying that adults are actually BETTER than children at learning language is like saying that adults are better than children at going through puberty, or children are better at going through menopause. You are quite impressive with your learning! So Ive been watching my baby girl study how people use their mouths when they talk and Ive started doing the same when people speak Hungarian. Another option is watching a show you already know with no subtitles at all. (this book references tons of research on the critical period, especially in phonology and syntax), Lenneberg, E. (1967 ). Anki, as mentioned above. I speak ok, but again, I dont always understand native people and to improve that, I need a lot more time to practice listening. Another failing of most learning approaches is a poorly defined end-goal. You will be forgiven for this directness, because its always obvious that you are a learner. A learner has to distinguish the 13 or so different meanings of over, for example the picture is over the wall, the cat jumped over the gate, the class is over, you have to be over 18 to buy alcohol, you were driving over the speed limit, the fence fell over. Jag ger John pplet. Thanks for the heads up! I did a lot of hichhiking there and one trip was going all the way to Germany to meet my friend who came there from USA. Having a Polish background, the video of Benny speaking Polish is just freaking impressive. For instance, if you really listen to it, the word France sounds different in I want to go to France (downward intonation) and France is a beautiful country (intonation raising upwards). Using these techniques I could read Thai in a matter of hours. - Does the fact that they're 'English Centric' mean we could be missing some important information? LingQ Languages Ltd. For some people being in the country is simply a fire under your ass that forces you to improve. Ive got friends who have been successful using this. I agree, but you could use LingQ's "grammar guides" instead. Is the apple red ? You can join the Lift plan for language learning that I wrote for their users here. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. So thanks again for the amazing materials online & in your books. Since we spend months in Thailand every year, Ive really been wanting to learn the language but has been putting it off as too difficult (other than a few casual phrases that mostly have to do with ordering beer ;)). Kevin Kelly on Excellent Advice for Living, Universal AI Assistants, Time Machines, and The Power of Fully Becoming Yourself (#669). Im quietly sitting on the sidelines hoping Tim can change the world, yet again, and Skype me maybe? That is by way of books, audio materials etc Methods of acquisition would differ with age I would guess. The complexities of this are mind-boggling, and since Ive worked as a professional translator myself (text only) and am in awe of simultaneous interpreters, you really do need a computer that is as good as a human before automatic translators are good for more than getting by. I dont quite agree with some points, but nevertheless, for those who want a quick guide on how to learn the basis of a local language quick when travelling, this is not a bad start. I ran these 12 sentences through Google Translate, but I didn't find that they helped me see the patterns in Polish. Thank you. I managed to sneak the pdf on the net for free et jai dvor le livre en 2jours. Hi Agne, noticed your comment here and thought Id share a blog article that provides a run down of some of these similar types of tools. Only time will tell how far Tim goes in this journey and whether he is able to forgive. They look so complicated. Anki is great, but recently I have been using http://www.memomash.com/ I think it has the best usability and I can easily use the same cards with my phone and my laptop. Im not saying I knew all this, but I wasted a very long time trying to learn English the wrong way, and actually learnt it pretty well in a much shorter time the right way. To make your specific goal Attainable, you can break it down further. Fortunately thats changing with the new generation and how they learn. You dont have to go on Skype! Learning a language isnt just about need. It requires a little creativity at times but the best part is, if you get it wrong, you have something to laugh with people about . It seems people are more than happy to help you out when youre trying. Already, Google and Bing translate are good enough at translating text that you can use them for most things. it doesn't have the fast pace of a native speaker conversation, the conversation isn't free flowing, but has been rehearsed/prepared. Et pas seulement avec les trangers mais avec les franais de la province aussi , Allez donc autre part en France, vous verrez quon est ravis de voir des trangers parler franais, mme sils ont du mal . Im really into language learning and there were a lot of resources pointed out that I didnt know about. You can observe people directly, or watch videos of natives youd like to emulate from a target country. And if youve been trying something like this and failing, it might be time to switch methods. None of whatever you guys are blahing about has anything to do with the fact that one cannot write Cantonese or Mandarin, because they are meant to be spoken. These things are not wanted here. Lithuanian is much easier to learn via Finnish. I love the challenge and excitement of communicating to others outside of my own culture. Regarding Benny, I for one feel that "Fluent in 3 Months," as gimmicky as it is, actually has some decent things going for it. Its all here. Benny is one of the many language learners that consistently wow me as well. I lost a lot of respect for you Tim. I think the distinction worth noting here (without putting words in Bennys mouth) is that people generally recognize the fact that there is a sensitive period of language development and then use that as an excuse to not learn a new language. If you can get to a university library, you could check out: Birdsong (1999). Like Benny said, just learn a few words for a situation, where you are going or just a conversation, in a restaurant, taxi, words to the kids and the wife and go for it. I was in an interesting situation my American friends phone was not working well in Europe, so we did not really have a set place to meet. However, a normal conversation will only be replaced when artificial intelligence is at the stage where it is absolutely indistinguishable from a human in all ways. It wouldnt surprise me, though, if the research showed that adults are better at learning languages the way that adults ordinarily go about acquiring a second language. Yes, provided that. From day one to day 90 (and beyond), I speak at least an hour a day in my L2, and my study time is tailored around the spoken sessions to make sure that my conversation is whats improvingnot just my general language skills through some vague list of words I may never use. Then again enabling subtitles did help because European Spanish can be quite fast for beginner learners and it helped me see the words I was hearing. Tim Ferriss was nearly 40 when he retrieved memories of child sexual abuse. Perhaps youll enjoy it so much, youll become motivated to memorize certain lines or quotes. But Ive seen kids learn remarkably quickly, even at the age of 6 starting a second language. Its because the system they have used to learn languages is broken. Nothing better than a A0 Wallchart covered in complex looking Chinese characters! This is an amazing pillar article Benny, as a big fan of yours I was course already aware of many of the resources in the post, but writing them up like this not only links many of the aspects of language learning together, it also motivates me like crazy to keep working hard. Huh thats weird. English initially borrowed them from the Norman conquest of England, which lasted several hundreds of years. Plain and simple. I purchased the new book, and Im definitely going to investigate the diplomas mentioned above! I needed to get away from the mindset of school and being graded and get to the real point of learning a language, which is being able to communicate with another person. Thanks for the inspiration. This post was awesome and just what Ive been looking for, thank you both! The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. After trying to learn French for a previous trip I was feeling a little defeated before even tackling Italian. WebThe idea is that translating a few key sentences, like I give him the apple, can help you 'deconstruct' a new language.